User blog:VampiresAndWerewolfsareAwesomeAsHell23/Testimony Of Joesph Bruce Ismay (Part One)

Testimony of Joseph Bruce Ismay

Mr. J. Bruce Ismay, being duly sworn by the chairman, testified as follows: 

Senator SMITH.  Mr. Ismay, for the purpose of simplifying this hearing, I will ask you a few preliminary questions.

First state your full name, please?

Mr. ISMAY.  Joseph Bruce Ismay.

Senator SMITH.  And your place of residence?

Mr. ISMAY.  Liverpool.

Senator SMITH.  And your age?

Mr. ISMAY.  I shall be 50 on the 12th of December.

Senator SMITH.  And your occupation?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Ship owner.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Are you an officer of the White Star Line?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I am.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> In what capacity?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Managing Director.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> As such officer, were you officially designated to make the trial trip of the Titanic<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were you a voluntary passenger?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> A voluntary passenger, yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Where did you board the ship?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> At Southampton.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> At what time?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I think it was 9.30 in the morning.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Of what day?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. Ismay. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The 10th of April.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The port of destination was New York?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> New York.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Will you kindly tell the Committee the circumstances surrounding your voyage, and, as succinctly as possible, beginning with your going aboard the vessel at Liverpool, your place on the ship on the voyage, together with any circumstances you feel would be helpful to us in this inquiry?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> In the first place, I would like to express my sincere grief at this deplorable catastrophe.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I understand that you gentlemen have been appointed as a Committee of the Senate to inquire into the circumstances. So far as we are concerned, we welcome it. We court the fullest inquiry. We have nothing to conceal; nothing to hide. The ship was built in Belfast. She was the latest thing in the art of shipbuilding; absolutely no money was spared in her construction. She was not built by contract. She was simply built on a commission.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">She left Belfast, as far as I remember - I am not absolutely clear about these dates - I think it was on the 1st of April.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">She underwent her trials, which were entirely satisfactory. She then |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">proceeded <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> to Southampton; arriving there on Wednesday.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Will you describe the trials she went through?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I was not present.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">She arrived at Southampton on Wednesday, the 3rd, I think, and |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">sailed <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> on Wednesday, the 10th. She left Southampton at 12 o'clock.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">She |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">arrived <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> in Cherbourg that evening, having run over at 68 revolutions.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">We left Cherbourg and |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">proceeded <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> to Queenstown. We arrived there, I think, about midday on Thursday.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">We ran from Cherbourg to Queenstown at 70 revolutions.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">After embarking the mails and passengers, we |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">proceeded <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> at 70 revolutions. I am not absolutely clear what the first day's run was, whether it was 464 miles or 484 miles.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The second day the number of revolutions was increased. I think the number of revolutions on the second day was about 72. I think we ran on the second day 519 miles.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The third day the revolutions were increased to 75, and I think we ran 546 or 549 miles.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The weather during this time was absolutely fine, with the exception, I think, of about 10 minutes' fog one evening.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The accident took place on Sunday night. What the exact time was I do not know. I was in bed myself, asleep, when the accident happened.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The ship sank, I am told, at 2:20.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">That, sir, I think is all I can tell you.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. The ship never had been at full speed. The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. She works up to 80. So far as I am aware, she never exceeded 75 revolutions. She had not all her boilers on. None of the single-ended boilers were on.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">It was our intention, if we had fine weather on Monday afternoon or Tuesday, to drive the ship at full speed. That, owing to the unfortunate catastrophe, never eventuated.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Will you describe what you did after the impact or collision?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I presume the impact awakened me. I lay in bed for a moment or two afterwards, not realizing, probably, what had happened. Eventually I got up and walked along the passageway and met one of the stewards, and said, "What has happened?" He said, "I do not know, sir."

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I then went back into my |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">room <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">, put my coat on, and went up on the |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">bridge <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">, where I found [http://www.titanicinquiry.org/outsidelinks.php#s <span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Capt. Smith ]<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">. I asked him what had happened, and he said, "We have struck ice." I said, "Do you think the ship is seriously damaged?" He said, "I am afraid she is."

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I then went down below, I think it was, where I met [http://www.titanicinquiry.org/outsidelinks.php#b <span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. Bell ]<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">, the chief engineer, who was in the main companionway. I asked if he thought the ship was seriously damaged, and he said he thought she was, but was quite satisfied the pumps would keep her afloat.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I think I went back onto the bridge. I heard the order given to get the |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">boats <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> out. I walked along to the starboard side of the ship, where I met one of the officers. I told him to get the boats out -

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What officer?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That I could not remember, sir.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I assisted, as best I could, getting the boats out and putting the women and children into the boats.

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I stood upon that deck practically until I left the ship in the starboard |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">collapsible boat <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">, which is the last boat to leave the ship, so far as I know. More than that I do not know.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did the captain remain on the bridge?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That I could not tell you, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you leave him on the bridge?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> His first statement to you was that he felt she was seriously damaged?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> And the next statement of the chief engineer was what?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> To the same effect.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> To the same effect?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> But that he hoped the pumps might keep her afloat?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you have any talk with any officer other than the captain or the chief engineer and the steward that you met?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Not that I remember.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did the officers seem to know the serious character of this collision?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That I could not tell, sir, because I had no conversation with them.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did any officer say to you that it evidently was not serious?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> All the officers with whom you talked expressed the same fear, saying that it was serious?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I did not speak to any of them, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Except the captain?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Except the captain and the chief engineer. I have already stated that I had spoken to them; but to no other officer that I remember.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You went to the bridge immediately after you had returned to your room?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> After I had put on my coat I went up to the bridge.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> And you found the captain there?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The captain was there.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> In what part of the ship were your quarters?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> My |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">quarters <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> were on B deck, just aft of the main companionway.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I wish you would describe just where that was.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">sun deck<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> is the upper deck of all. Then we have what we call the <span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">A deck<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">, which is the next deck, and then the <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">B deck<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. UHLER. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The second passenger deck?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> We carry very few passengers on the <span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">A deck<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">. I think we have a diagram here that will show you these decks. Here it is, and | there <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> is the room I was occupying ( indicating on diagram <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">).

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What is the number of that room?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">B-52 <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> is the room I had.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You had the |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">suite <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I had the suite; I was sleeping in that room ( indicating on diagram <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">), as a matter of fact.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know whether there were any passengers on that deck?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I have no idea, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You say that the trip was a voluntary trip on your part?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Absolutely.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> For the purpose of viewing this ship in action, or did you have some business in New York?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I had no business to bring me to New York at all. I simply came in the natural course of events, as one is apt to, in the case of a new ship, to see how she works, and with the idea of seeing how we could improve on her for the next ship which we are building.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were there any other executive officers of the company aboard?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> None.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Was the inspector or builder on board?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> There was a representative of the builders on board.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Who was he?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Mr. <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Thomas Andrews<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> In what capacity was he?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I do not quite follow you.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What was the occasion of his coming to make this trial trip?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> As a representative of the builders, to see that everything was working satisfactorily and also to see how he could improve the next ship.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Was he a man of large experience?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Had he had part in the construction of this ship himself?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.