User blog:VampiresAndWerewolfsareAwesomeAsHell23/Testimony Of Joesph Bruce Ismay (Part Four)

Part Four

Senator SMITH.  At that time the Titanic  was sinking?

Mr. ISMAY.  She was sinking.

Senator SMITH.  Where did this ship collide? Was it a side blow?

Mr. ISMAY.  I have no knowledge, myself. I can only state what I have been told, that she hit the iceberg somewhere between the breakwater and the bridge.

Senator SMITH.  State that again.

Mr. ISMAY.  Between the breakwater and the |bridge .

Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On the starboard side?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you see any of the men passengers on that ship with life preservers on?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Nearly all passengers had life preservers on.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> All that you saw?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> All that I saw had life preservers on.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> All of them that you saw?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes; as far as I can remember.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Naturally, you would remember that if you saw it? When you entered the lifeboat yourself, you say there were no passengers on that part of the ship?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> None.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you, at any time, see any struggle among the men to get into these boats?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Was there any attempt, as this boat was being lowered past the other decks, to have you take on more passengers?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> None, sir. There were no passengers there to take on.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Before you boarded the lifeboat, did you see any of the passengers jump into the sea?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I did not.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> After you had taken the lifeboat did you see any of the passengers or crew with life-saving apparatus on them in the sea?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What course was taken by the lifeboat in which you were after leaving the ship?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> We saw a light some distance off to which we attempted to pull and which we thought was a ship.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Can you give the direction of it?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I could not give that.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> But you saw a light?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> And you attempted to pull this boat toward it?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> How long were you in the open sea in this lifeboat?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I should think about four hours.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were there any other lifeboats in that vicinity?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> How many?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That I could not answer. I know there was one, because we hailed her. She had a light, and we hailed her, but got no answer from her.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You got no answer?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you see any rafts in the open sea?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir; none.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were there any other rafts on the Titanic <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> that could have been utilized?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I believe not.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were all of the lifeboats of one type?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No; there were four that are called |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">collapsible boats <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What were the others?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Ordinary wooden boats.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> How many were there?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I think there were 20 altogether.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Including both designs?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes. Sixteen wooden boats and four collapsible boats, I think. I am not absolutely certain.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> When you reached the Carpathia<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"">, was your lifeboat taken aboard the Carpathia <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That I do not know.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you see any other lifeboats taken aboard the Carpathia?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I did not.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What was the method of getting you aboard the Carpathia <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> We simply walked up a Jacob's ladder.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What was the condition of the sea at that time?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> There was a little ripple on it, nothing more.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know whether all the lifeboats that left the Titanic <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> were accounted for?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I believe so. I do not know that of my own knowledge.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I think it has been suggested that two of them were engulfed.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Of that I know nothing.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You would know if that were true, would you not?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I have had no consultation with anybody since the accident with the exception of one officer.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Who was that?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> [http://www.titanicinquiry.org/outsidelinks.php#l <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. Lightoller ]<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">. I have spoken to no member of the crew or anybody since in regard to the accident.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What was Mr. Lightoller's position?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> He was the second officer of the Titanic <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> How many officers of the ship's crew were saved?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I am told four.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Can you give their names?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I can not.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Or their occupation?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I could not. The only one I know is Mr. Lightoller, who was the second officer.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I understand they are here.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I believe so; I do not know.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Mr. Ismay, what can you say about the sinking and disappearance of the ship? Can you describe the manner in which she went down?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I did not see her go down.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You did not see her go down?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> How far were you from the ship?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I do not know how far we were away. I was sitting with my back to the ship. I was rowing all the time I was in the boat. We were pulling away.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You were rowing?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes; I did not wish to see her go down.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You did not care to see her go down?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No. I am glad I did not.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> When you last saw her, were there indications that she had broken in two?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> When did you last see her?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I really could not say. It might have been 10 minutes after we left her. It is impossible for me to give any judgment of the time. I could not do it.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Was there much apparent confusion on board when you saw her last?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I did not look to see, sir. My back was turned to her. I looked around once only, to see her red light - her green light, rather.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You never saw the <span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">captain<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> again after you left him on the bridge?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you have any message from him?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Nothing.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know how many wireless operators there were on board the ship?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I do not; but I presume there were two. There is always one on watch.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know whether they survived?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I am told one of them did, but I do not know whether it is true or not. I really have not asked.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were any of this crew enlisted men in the English Navy?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I do not know, sir. The ship's articles will show that.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Can you tell us anything about the inspection, and the certificate that was made and issued before sailing?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The ship receives a Board of Trade <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">passenger certificate<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">; otherwise she would not be allowed to carry passengers.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know whether that was done?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You could not sail your ship without it; you could not get your clearance.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know whether this ship was equipped with its full complement of lifeboats?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> If she had not been, she could not have sailed. She would not have received her passenger certificate; therefore she must have been fully equipped.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know whether these |<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">lifeboats <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> were the lifeboats that were planned for the Titanic<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I do not quite understand what you mean, sir. I do not think lifeboats are ever built for the ship. Lifeboats are built to have a certain cubic capacity.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-ansi-language:EN-AU;mso-fareast-language: EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-ansi-language: EN-AU;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"> I understand that; but I mean whether these lifeboats were completed for the ship coincident with the

To be Continued.............