User blog:VampiresAndWerewolfsareAwesomeAsHell23/Testimony Of Joesph Bruce Ismay (Part Two)

Part Two Senator SMITH.  Was he among the survivors?

Mr. ISMAY.  Unfortunately, no.

Senator SMITH.  How old a man was he?

Mr. ISMAY.  It is difficult to judge a man's age, as you know, but I should think he was perhaps 42 or 43 years of age. He may have been less. I really could not say.

Senator SMITH.  Then, you were the only executive officer aboard representing your company, aside from the ship's customary complement of officers?

Mr. ISMAY.  Yes, sir.

Senator SMITH.  Did you have occasion to consult with the captain about the movement of the ship?

Mr. ISMAY.  Never.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did he consult you about it?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Never. Perhaps I am wrong in saying that. I should like to say this: I do not know that it was quite a matter of consulting him about it, of his consulting me about it, but what we had arranged to do was that we would not attempt to arrive in New York at the lightship before 5 o'clock on Wednesday morning.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That was the understanding?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes. But that was arranged before we left Queenstown.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Was it supposed that you could reach New York at that time without putting the ship to its full running capacity?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Oh, yes, sir. There was nothing to be gained by arriving at New York any earlier than that.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You spoke of the revolutions on the early part of the voyage.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Those were increased as the distance was increased?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The Titanic<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> being a new ship, we were gradually working her up. When you bring out a new ship you naturally do not start her running at full speed until you get everything working smoothly and satisfactorily down below.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did I understand you to say that she exceeded 70 revolutions?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir; she was going 75 revolutions on Tuesday.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On Tuesday?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No; I am wrong - on Saturday. I am mixed up as to the days.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The day before the accident?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The day before the accident. That, of course, is nothing near her full speed.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> During the voyage, do you know, of your own knowledge, of your proximity to icebergs?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did I know that we were near icebergs?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir; I did not. I know ice had been reported.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Ice had been reported?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you personally see any icebergs, or any large volume of ice?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No; not until after the accident.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Not until after the wreck?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I had never seen an iceberg in my life before.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You never saw one before.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Had you ever been on this so-called <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">northern route <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> before?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> We were on the <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">southern route <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On this Newfoundland route?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> We were on the long southern route; not on the northern route.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You were not on the extreme northern route?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> We were on the extreme southern route for the west-bound ships.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> What was the longitude and latitude of this ship? Do you know?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That I could not tell you; I am not a sailor.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were you cognizant of your proximity to icebergs at all on Saturday?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On Saturday? No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know anything about a <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">wireless message <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> from the Amerika<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> to the Titanic<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> -

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Saying that the Amerika <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> had encountered ice in that latitude?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were you aware of the proximity of icebergs on Sunday?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On Sunday? No; I did not know on Sunday. I knew that we would be in the ice region that night sometime.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That you would be or were?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That we would be in the ice region on Sunday night.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you have any consultation with the <span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">captain<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> regarding the matter?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Absolutely none.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Or with any other officer of the ship?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> With no officer at all, sir. It was absolutely out of my province. I am not a navigator. I was simply a passenger on board the ship.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know anything about the working of the wireless service on this ship?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> In what way? We had wireless on the ship.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Had you taken any unusual precaution to have a reserve power for this wireless?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I believe there was, but I have no knowledge of that myself.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Do you know how long the wireless continued to operate after the blow or collision?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir; I do not.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you, at any time see the operator of the wireless?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I did not.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you attempt to send any messages yourself?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I did not.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were you outside on the deck, or on any deck, when the order was given to lower the <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">lifeboats <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I heard Capt. Smith give the order when I was on the <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">bridge <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You heard the captain give the order?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Will you tell us what he said.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> It is very difficult for me to remember exactly what was said, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> As nearly as you can.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I know I heard him give the order to lower the boats. I think that is all he said. I think he simply turned around and gave the order.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Was there anything else said, as to how they should be manned or occupied?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> No, sir; not that I heard. As soon as I heard him give the order to lower the boats, I left the bridge.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> You left the bridge?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Did you see any of the boats lowered?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> How many?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Certainly three.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Will you tell us, if you can, how they were lowered?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> They were swung out, people were put into the boats from the <span style="font-size: 9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">deck<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">, and then they were simply lowered away down to the water.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Were these lifeboats on the various decks?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> They were all on one deck.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On what deck?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On the <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">sun deck<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">; the deck above this ( indicating on diagram <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">). I do not think it is shown on this plan.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That is, the second deck above yours?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On this <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">deck<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> here, on the big plan ( <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">indicating <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">).

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> On the sun deck?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes; on what we call the sun deck or the boat deck.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> They were on the boat deck, which would - be the upper deck of all?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The upper deck of all, yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Was there any order or supervision exercised by the officers of the ship in loading these lifeboats?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes, sir.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I wish you would tell just what that was.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That I could not say. I could only speak from what I saw for myself.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That is all I wish you to do.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> The boats that were lowered where I was were in charge of the officer and were filled and lowered away.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> They first put men into the boats for the purpose of controlling them?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> We put in some of the ship's people.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Some of the ship's people?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> Yes.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> How many?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> That I could not say.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> About how many?

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Mr. ISMAY. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> I could not say.

<span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Senator SMITH. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> About three or four?

<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">To be Continued...........